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FIREFLY SEASON 2 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:21
FILLYGIRL
"Like to keep my options open..."



Not the way to make friends and infulence people. I'll bet you don't know that Joss has his own board.....


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CAPTION TIGHTPANTS: AIM TO MISBEHAVE #21 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:28
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SIMON: River, what are y--
RIVER: Grenades cost extra!


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Hidey Thread 487: Return From The Dead Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:26
DAVESHAYNE
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Quote:

Originally posted by mai:
Me either. Let's go get our revenge.



Little did anyone know but that would be the start of a seven day crime spree against time pieces culminating with the vicious - and to the authorities apparently unprovoked - attack upon the atomic clock at Lawrence Livermore laboratory.

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Hidey Thread 487: Return From The Dead Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:32
MAI



Awesome.


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Peter Graves died Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:37

Peter Graves' career goes way back, and I remember him from his early work:




I used to watch this on Chiller Theater...scared the crap out of me





One of my favorite tv shows growing up




He also made a memorable guest appearance on Buck Rogers in 1980:







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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:53

call it "it".

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Patton Oswalt to write Firefly comic book Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 12:32
TWO
The 190 page Serenity script where Wash lives is at www.mediafire.com/two





The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Browncoat Bar & Grill - Don't call it a comeback.... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 12:36

Sir Daughter the Brave is fine. She has some things going on with her stomach that the Docs want looked into. Of course the closest Pediatric Gastral-entro-gabblybobbly Doc is there so we have to go.

On a side note. Old Man Winter can kiss my ass! Took my fat self and the pudgy doggie out for a jog yesterday and am feeling kinda OW atm. Damn winter and the lack of out door activities due to snow! XD

How was the concert Roxy?

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 12:57
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"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision."- Norman Mailer (1963)



Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Oh, please. Step off your high horse chump. PN can say what he likes


For now...because we allow it, but someday he'll be pulled over for speeding by the Jew Nazi Gangsta Her Majesty's Highway Death Squad Patrol and that will be the end of it. The last thing he sees will be Queen Elizabeth, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, and Adolf Hitler looking down at him...

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76th Independent Battalion Part 37 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 13:09

Hump day eve

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FIREFLY SEASON 2 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 13:34

I'm sure Joss and Tim and a lot of the people behind Firefly know that we want more. The ones who go to conventions see it first hand all the time. Letters will not alert them to anything new.

I doubt letters to any of the networks will do much good either. They'll look at the bottom line and the bottom line is Firefly is not a cash cow. I know we would like to believe it is, but it's not. It isn't low brow humor. It isn't a crime drama. It isn't built to appeal to the mainstream audience. It just doesn't have a chance against CSI: whatever.

I think it's time to just be happy with what we got.

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Patton Oswalt to write Firefly comic book Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 13:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Seems a reach, given to think it's anything but. Joss has an ongoing relationship with the publisher. They're not going to do a story that's unsanctioned and risk loosing a relationship with a moneymaker.


Darkhorse publishes a bunch of Buffy comics that aren't in the season 8 series. They seem more like they're sanctioned but not canon to me.

George Lucas sanctions all the expanded universe books but he doesn't consider them canon. I don't think he's insulted by them either. They're not mutually exclusive.



There's a big difference between Star Wars and Firefly. Star Wars is an industry, it's a machine. Firefly is, to a great extent, still one man's dream.

All the Star Wars novels, comics, video games, etc, ARE canon, but there's a whole structure of canon, with the movies on top. (In other words, it basically boils down to "You can assume everything you've read in the books is completely true, unless it conflicts with the movies; then, the movies win").

Although George Lucas does not personally approve every piece of Star Wars fiction, there's a whole section at LucasFilm that DOES.

Firefly, on the other hand, has been very personal for Joss. Although he hasn't written every word of it, he has been intimiately involved with every official product. If a Firefly/Serenity product comes out, I think it's safe to assume that Joss is aware of it and has sanctioned its content (therefore making it canon, at least for now).

The alternative is that Joss no longer cares enough about Firefly to worry about each story... which would mean the war is over and we lost. :(

EDIT:

This article is an interview with the artist:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/03/10/exclusive-patric-reynolds-on-the-art-of-serenity-float-out?icid=sphere_egotvonline_inline

I've only had time to skip it, but he notes that each page needed to be sent to 7 people for approval, and Joss was one of them. So, definitely on Joss's radar; definitely approved by Joss... that makes it canon.






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Imponderables: Best Served Cold... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 13:39

I've heard before that fish don't feel pain. So, maybe they were ok with it. Sadly I can't really believe that's true. Pain is a good thing for the most part. Otherwise how would fish learn what to avoid?

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 13:58

Yeah, no. Technically the person never cut it off to become a neuter, generally to become a woman (which is what happened first), it gets modified into a clitoris, since the two are analogous. Then the would be woman undergoes a vaginoplasty to create, uh, that.

So first he decided to be castrated (not the first, see eunuch), then SHE was spayed (not the first, see hysterectomy), now they're a neuter (not the first, see NEUTER). When someone undergoes a vasectomy or hysterectomy, they retain their pronoun, which in this case could be taken as either male or female. So I'd say either pronoun applies. 'It' is dehumanizing and should be avoided.

A better pronoun would be useful, but we have none.

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Patton Oswalt to write Firefly comic book Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 14:10

That definition of canon is just silly to me. "What you're reading is true unless it's not". Oh...great. What?

Either something is official and true or it's not IMO. I consider the expanded universe to be a whole different timeline than the movies. It's like a "what if" type of spin off to me. I never expect George Lucas to write anything with Han and Leia having twin children or using Mara Jade as a character. They're make believe to him.

It sounds to me like this comic might fall in the same realm. "Go ahead and create some characters who were old friends of Wash's. I'll never reference them in anything I have planned. So, go nuts." Obviously that's just a hunch. I haven't heard from Joss directly.

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Neat article I found Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 14:11

I liked it.

Though that was the first time I've ever heard piracy blamed for Serenity's lack of box office success. Usually it's all Universal's fault for not advertising more. Even though I saw plenty of commercials for Serenity when it was in theaters and I don't even watch all that much TV.

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Patton Oswalt to write Firefly comic book Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 14:20

I'm simplifying the definition of canon, but it comes down to whether the work is essentially paid fanfic or not. If something is considered canon, it's not.

Please see the edit to my message above. If Joss is approving every page of artwork of this thing, he clearly cares about it. It's not a blow-off.

On the other hand, if the comic meets with success, it might be an opportunity for a spinoff comic and group of characters, which would allow folk to explore the 'Verse while still leaving the crew of Serenity untouched for the future.

Potentially, a very good approach.

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Patton Oswalt to write Firefly comic book Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 14:34
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Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
They're make believe to him.



It's all make believe to everyone. Not to undermine your point, Zeek I agree with you. Canon or not, it's all fiction and you can choose to read or not to read and then to believe it fictionally "happened" or to ignore it. I don't know why scifi fans do this. People getting upset about the new Battlestar or the new Star Trek undermining the old. Both stories exist, as stories! I didn't like the new Trek so I choose to ignore it. I like both new and old Battlestar, I think of them as being different takes on the same story. No one argues about whether or not Bronte would have approved of Wide Sargasso Sea as canon in the Jane Eyre universe or not. Just read it and enjoy it. It's all fiction!

That said, I look forward to Patton Oswalt's comic.

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Whoah...didn't see that comin'. Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 14:35
CYBERSNARK
I can be terse. Once in flight school, I was laconic.



Alex(andra) wasn't Casey's daughter --she would've had to be 20, and that girl wasn't out of her teens.

Odds are Casey's girlfriend had married (and possibly separated), and named her child after her first love.

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Patton Oswalt to write Firefly comic book Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 14:52

Quote:

Originally posted by DMI:
It's all make believe to everyone.


Haha ok that's true.

Either way it's good to have more officially published works in the Firefly/Serenity universe.

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 15:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Too bad we can't do the same thing here...alas free speech's downside is we have to let everyone have their say (except PirateNews).



Quote:

I note for the record that even at our worst, our group never disrupted or disputed anyone's right to come to our campus and speak. That's what liberals do.


I guess all that lawyer school didn't teach Hero enough basic logic to see the irony here...

But you got it Storymark - conservatives don't block liberals from campuses, they just lock them in distant "free speech" zones. Or show up at their town meetings and shout down all rational discussion. Or invite them onto Faux News talk shows and yell in their faces: SHUDDUP! SHUDDUP!


Bytemite: Why is it the kids at school never seem to see if they banded together against the authority trying that "punish them all, divide and conquer" bullshit, they could actually win?

Frem: Because the school administration will do *ANYTHING* to prevent such a challenge against their authority



Um... ok, I don't think you mean this a general statement, but just in case...

The problem with this is that not all school administrations are evil. Nor are children - and high schoolers are to a great extent still children - ready to run their lives completely independently.

Frem, I know what you're getting at: authoritarian types abuse their power and kids suffer. Trust me, I know that very well from personal experience. I also know what I've experienced as an educator. These kids I teach, though bright and motivated and mature, often make dumb decisions. Really. I could give examples aplenty. A few have brought battles to me that are really lose-lose for them, but they are so blinded by stubbornness, and want their own way too badly to see the poor outcome they're setting themselves up for. So I just shrug and let them go. It's a shame they *cannot* see that I'm on their side, even though I'm an adult.

The thought of such kids needing to "band together" to "win" creeps me out. A school environment is not about this kind of winning, for anyone. At least, it shouldn't be.

Left to their own devices, kids can do some pretty evil shit. One thing I love about where I work is the awareness of cliques and bullying. If we see that happening, you bet your ass the grown-ups will try our best to divide and conquer. I have the authority to call kids out if I think they're behaving in a rude or disrespectful manner. (This includes standing in a clump blocking a busy hallway. That's a long time pet peeve and I'll freely admit I LOVE having the power to break those up LOL!)

Point is, not all authority figures are evil. In the case of this prom, the authority is all wrong. But please do not paint it as all the good innocent kids against the evil power-hungry adults. Not unless you really know more about it and can back that up.

I posted what I did about wanting the other girls to show up at the back-up prom in tuxes because I'm imagining the other thing that's more likely happening - I'll bet more than one other student is getting down on this girl for "ruining" their precious once in a lifetime prom event. "Why can't you just be like everyone else and stop making a fuss?" I got that message plenty when I was a kid, and it most often didn't come from adults.

Note to self: would like to say more about authority versus guidance, and about the expectations that the kid brings to the table. But first I need coffee, which requires milk, which means crutching my ass to the store. *sigh*

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 15:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
in my school it was the time of the "beehive" hairdo, and some of the girls hid razors in their hair...you know the thing.

Um... no. I'm afraid to ask, but... why?

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Life Onboard Serenity #44: Who We Were (NEW CHARACTERS WELCOME!!!) Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 15:23
GRAYSONCORNWELL
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So Ivy was having some episodes. Grayson's brow knitted together in concern. But he kept quiet. He wanted to hear what Pain had to say, no matter how much it would sadden or anger him. He just wanted Ivy to be safe and get better.

Quote:

Originally posted by DRPAIN:
"I know she was raped by her Master, Grayson. Tommy mentioned it and Mal figured it out from the incident that happened today."



Raped? Ivy was raped? Grayson closed his eyes and wanted to cry. His little Ivy, brutalized and raped. He set his lips in a tight line. He should have known though. It was a common practice for a lot of slave owners, but he denied it all earlier, hoping he was wrong.

Quote:

Originally posted by DRPAIN:
"Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go get Tommy. She stormed off when I more or less refused to have sex with her. I'll go get my CorPad so you can talk to me from there. Pain out."



Grayson grimaced a bit. Pain provided a little too much information.

So what had happened today? It must have been a large episode. Grayson wanted more details. He wanted a lot more details. But he had to wait. Ivy needed Pain more than he needed to know right now.

But his anger was growing. More and more as he let his mind imagine the atrocities Ivy might have been subjected to.

He got up and punched the wall. As everyone who ever did that knew, it really didn't help, it just made your hand hurt. He sank back into his chair.

Please let it only be once. Only once she was raped, he thought.

He was quite certain that it was more than just once, but he hoped anyways.


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FIREFLY SEASON 2 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 15:43
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org



I suspect FF Season 2 will be with younger actors, and lose the Joss Humor TM (no Joss).

Like Capt Picard's British lack of humor and love for regs replaced JTK's lusty smirk.

Lots of virtual sets and CGI, less space hookers.

Mal works for Blue Sun and the New Alliance is our friend.

Like GOP took over the Tea Party.

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Peter Graves died Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 15:49
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John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org





RED PLANET MARS
part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-134335047710972920&ei=MaifS6n1OobEqgLItc2EDQ#
part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5775514474832170736&hl=en&emb=1


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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:03
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Originally posted by piratenews:

Bang, marry or kill?



After her interview on CNN, I'd have to eliminate bang and marry. She's morphing into an ACLU jewclone, with a redneck accent.
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2010/03/16/behar.lesbian.prom.cnn.html

She has no mommy, and no therapy. Daddy must be a real winner.

My cousin was county attorney when ACLU sued to remove the 10 Commandments from the courthouse. Can't have litigants being told not to lie and kill in court. My cousin bowed down to ACLU and lost the case without a fight. I fight parking tickets harder than that. As reward she was promoted to TN Supreme Court.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=12546
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_136070.asp

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Peter Graves died Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:12
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Oh that's right, you hate naked men, including your husband. Strap-ons are your cup o T.


Dude, you seriously have an obsession with naked men and strap-ons. Is there something you want to tell us?

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Browncoat Bar & Grill - Don't call it a comeback.... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:18
ROXYFREEFALL
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I'm so sorry, Kel. Poor darlin', I know how she feels. I have pretty nasty probs with my stomach too. Hopefully she won't have to go through all the tests I did. She's in my thoughts.

And I yay this beautiful weather! Thinking of going for a walk today with the hubby since he took the day off.

OMG... the concert was incredible! Even the opening bands were pretty decent. We got right to the front and I got really great pics. The moshing wasn't too bad, we were pretty well protected. Didn't even get injured this time, lol! I did get a friggin' beer bath cuz some guy ran into me with a full glass of beer and then smiled and offered to towel me off. Perv. Breaking Benjamin was just amazing! I have no voice due to singing all the songs at the top of my lungs. Also my hubby caught a guitar pick and a drum stick from the band. So stoked 'bout that! We all had a blast. So glad my peeps went with us. That was the kinda awesome night I really needed.

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Summer as crime-fighting blogger... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:24

WHEN DOES THIS GOES ON THE SCREEN!!!(the Cape-thingy)

I need my Glau-fix:-)

and I will certainly also see the deadly honeymoon-thingy then I can.

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Summer as crime-fighting blogger... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:29

I HOPE it is not just in the pilot that she is in:-)

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:42
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wow, hearing cases like this make me painfully aware of the limits of my tolerance. i suppose i have it in my to be a fire-breathing conservative, after all.

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Browncoat Bar & Grill - Don't call it a comeback.... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:45

Your husband must crap horseshoes and eat rabbit's feet. He's about the luckiest guy ever when it comes to band stuff. Always winning competitions and catching the stuff. Can I borrow him next time Metallica swing by my town?

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Hidey Thread 487: Return From The Dead Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:51
KAREL
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Quote:

Originally posted by daveshayne:
Little did anyone know but that would be the start of a seven day crime spree against time pieces culminating with the vicious - and to the authorities apparently unprovoked - attack upon the atomic clock at Lawrence Livermore laboratory.

Oh, the temporality! So many clocks, ticked off!

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 16:56

Mal4Prez, I think Frem has had some very different experiences with school administrators than you have, partially because of his geographic region.

But the thing is, when Frem and I talk about divide and conquer, we're talking about the times we've seen school administrators actually ENCOURAGE people forming into cliques, and being abusive towards other cliques. This is what happens when a jock culture predominates at a school. Now jocks aren't bad, and they're not dumb, either. But when they have a combination of unquestioned popularly plus sanctioning and protection from the authority because game winning = school funds and donations, well, it encourages a might is right, only the strong survive, being smart is nerdy and uncool attitude.

And that's only one example of how a school sometimes might promote and encourage cliques. And it's not always accidental.

And look here, at this particular case, where the school administrators are trying to cover their butts by getting the students mad at these two girls, who *I* don't think did anything wrong. Angry teens will go to their parents, who will go yell at the PTA/school board, and there you go, the school will win by majority, and by first dragging one of the students through the gutter to do so.

The problem Frem and I have with that is it's not fair to ANY of the students, nor is it respecting the rights of the students (particularly the girl in question). This is NOT in the best interests of anyone BUT the school administrators, who SHOULD have the best interests of the students at heart, even a student who raises a difficult issue, or who the school administrators disagree with on a values level.

I don't know if it's every administrator, I know that a lot of schools have become more careful about this sort of thing and have tried to stop the cliques or at least keep things agreeable.

At the same time, a lot of schools have responded by going completely nuts and installing security measures and treating the school like a prison. Which are the kind of schools Frem is familiar with. And when an administrator who likes to play power games takes over... Yikes. Once again, that actually HURTS the students and makes them LESS safe.

When I talked about banding together, I mean about something cross clique an issue that brings people together despite their differences. Clearly the administrators are in the wrong here, and without student action, the administrators will have their way.

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I posted what I did about wanting the other girls to show up at the back-up prom in tuxes because I'm imagining the other thing that's more likely happening - I'll bet more than one other student is getting down on this girl for "ruining" their precious once in a lifetime prom event. "Why can't you just be like everyone else and stop making a fuss?" I got that message plenty when I was a kid, and it most often didn't come from adults.


The problem here is the adults at the school are doing this by proxy through the teens to the girl. There's a big difference between that and regular bullying at a school, which happens because the way our educational system is set up emphasizes the differences between kids (poor versus rich and popular, powerful parents versus underprivileged, smart versus strong, eccentric versus mainstream) and encourages conformity.

None of that should matter, and the answer is not school uniforms, the answer is fostering a sense of equality through a democratic process. I can't say I understand fully how the Sudbury model that Frem endorses would work for the actual TEACHING aspect, but I can see how it would be an improvement over current school culture.

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:02
KWICKO
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She has no mommy, and no therapy. Daddy must be a real winner.


Didn't even know you had any kids. Guess that explains why she doesn't like guys, eh?

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:05
RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."



"I listened and respectfully refused to comply with their wishes or give them any promise to behave in manner they would approve of."

But you were OK with a student being tasered and forcibly removed when Kerry was speaking on a campus.

Or did you think we'd forget your gaping double standard ?

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Browncoat Bar & Grill - Don't call it a comeback.... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:15
ROXYFREEFALL
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Navy, you totally just gave Jon a case of the lulz with that post.
And yes, you may borrow him for your Metallica needs.

EDIT:

Quick pic from the concert.



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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:19

I gotta ask, why does it matter? if you ever met this person in real life, you might have a "What's that, it's Pat!" moment, but otherwise wouldn't you just pass him/her and not really give them much notice? If it's just the surgery that squicks you out, under what circumstances would you find out that this person had undergone surgery?

How does this affect you, and what does it matter?

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HVP Salmonella Contamination Recall Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:21
RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."



There is also a voluntary recall* on black pepper due to potential Salmonella contamination. The product is supplied by Mincing Overseas Spice Company of Dayton, OH.

* Given that the FDA has no authority to COMPEL a recall, of necessity, all recalls are voluntary.

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Browncoat Bar & Grill - Don't call it a comeback.... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:23

For reals!! I'm with Navy. You snagged yourself a good one!


I hope everything is okay Kel! Stomach stuff sucks! I had to go through things too.

Umm. no updates on my part... so yeah!

Sorry this post sucks.



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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:24

Also, because this raises a very obvious question, I present the most likely answer.



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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:27
RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."



I like to get my information from many places. Here is one from the Obama pr group.


Please note how the the Obama administration is spinning the issue:



In 2008, voters in Washington's 8th congressional district voted to send President Obama to Washington to fight for change -- including for desperately needed HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM. They expected Republican Representative Dave Reichert to reach across the aisle to be a partner for change.

Unfortunately, last fall Rep. Reichert opposed reform and voted to let insurance companies continue jacking up premiums and denying care to sick people. But it's not too late for him to change his mind and put average Americans and the middle class ahead of corporate and special interests.



As I recall, what people THOUGHT they were getting was health CARE reform, not INSURANCE reform.





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HVP Salmonella Contamination Recall Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:32

Yeah, I was just giving people a notice in case they hadn't heard or something.

Although I am wondering what's going on with food processing plants that they're fucking things up so frequently.

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:36
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i will take the sky from you.



Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I gotta ask, why does it matter? if you ever met this person in real life, you might have a "What's that, it's Pat!" moment, but otherwise wouldn't you just pass him/her and not really give them much notice? If it's just the surgery that squicks you out, under what circumstances would you find out that this person had undergone surgery?

How does this affect you, and what does it matter?



It matters in that it matters, in that I reacted to it. It affects me, but only in theory, in that I reacted to it. If this seems circular and irrational, that must be because it is.

I am absolutely self-absorbed, and more interested in my visceral reaction of "BLARGH! UNCLEAN!" than I am in condemning (insert pronoun here). i like to think of myself as a tolerant chap, but it occurs to me when i hear stories like this, that i am absolutely invested in gender stereotypes and biology.

ultimately, nothing matters, but to see gender treated as something plastic is to gaze into a chasm of horror (at least for someone, like me, whose pathetic identity is 99% invested in being a dude).

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:40

Re: Behive hairdo...
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The Beehive is a woman's hairstyle that resembles a beehive; it is also known as the B-52, for its similarity to the bulbous nose of the B-52 Stratofortress bomber.

“The Beehive” originated in 1958 as one of a variety of elaborately teased and lacquered versions of "big hair" that developed from earlier pageboy and bouffant styles. The beehive style was highly popular throughout the 1960s, particularly in the United States and other Western countries, and remains an enduring symbol of 1960s kitsch.



Someone on yahoo put up pix, along with "Ok a beehive hairstyle is the most unattractive thing EVER!!! People who have them look very stupid and weird. . You may think that these women are wearing their hair like this as a joke, but they aren't!!!

A la:


This is what I saw a lot of in high school:



Interestingly, I can't find anything on women hiding razors in their beehives, but they did. For fighting.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Life Onboard Serenity #44: Who We Were (NEW CHARACTERS WELCOME!!!) Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:40

Tommy was surprised that she managed to get up the ladder and out of the bunk. It hurt a bunch though, but she didn't feel any weaves pull beyond their limits.

She didn't know where to go though. So she just walked. She did it as though she had purpose, even though she didn't beyond wanting to put space in between her and Pain.

Her jaw set as she thought back to their conversation. He had turned her down. He told her that Ivy had been raped, then turned her down for sex. And under the auspices that she was still healing.

But that didn't stop him the times they been with each other since the accident. It was an excuse. He had lied to her. He didn't want her anymore. Now that he knew she was... that she'd been...

I was raped Tommy, she heard Ivy say to her.

"You're not ready to deal with that."

Are you sure?

"We open that door and more will come," she said.

Pain pities me, doesn't he?

"Looks like."

Do you think he still loves me?

Tommy's gait faltered.

"Does it matter?"

Yes.

"I don't know what his feelings are."

Maybe if I just deal with this one part. I can deal with the rapes. John said I should confront my fears.

"John doesn't know you like I do and he shouldn't try to interfere."

Perhaps, but maybe if I could just try to remember...

"No!" Tommy exclaimed as she felt Ivy trying to pull back the layers Tommy worked so hard to cover up the truth. "No!"

But Ivy pushed Tommy aside, like Tommy had done to John earlier, pulled off a piece that covered her inner secret and peered in...

Her eyes widened at what she saw and she started to scream, but Tommy managed to come back, pull her away and seal up the hole.

"You get too close and it will suck you in, Ivy," Tommy said as Ivy cowered in the back of her own mind. "Don't forget that."

Tommy stood up straight as she rounded the corner and ran straight into Jayne.

"Where you goin' little girl?" he growled at her. "Trying to leave?"

"W-What?" Tommy stammered, the startle causing her to begin loosing grip on the reality she was struggling to maintain.

In an instant, Jayne's form was replaced by one of the guards that were in charge of her cell. One of the ones that... Fear crept up, but Tommy managed to keep control and Jayne returned.

"You!" she glared at him. "You might have told Pain that everything you did was for self preservation, but I was there!"

Her hands formed tight fists as she held them at her sides.

"You kissed her back a little more passionately than you needed. You had certain... reactions. I could feel it!"

She narrowed her eyes at him, then her gaze softened.

Leave him alone, Tommy. He isn't like them. He meant no harm.

Tommy clenched her jaw, glared at Jayne, then purposely strode past him and deeper into the ship.


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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:41
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"I listened and respectfully refused to comply with their wishes or give them any promise to behave in manner they would approve of."

But you were OK with a student being tasered and forcibly removed when Kerry was speaking on a campus.

Or did you think we'd forget your gaping double standard ?

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Silence is consent.





Which of his two faces were you addressing? :)

Remember, he's also the guy who claims to LOVE free speech - except when PN exercises it, at which point he'd love to do away with free speech altogether.

"Hero" is almost as high-larious in his application of double standards as GlenBeck is. Did anyone catch Beck cursing Christian churches for advocating "social justice"? He compares such churches to the Nazis and the communists, and warns his listeners that if THEIR churches start preaching anything approaching social justice, then it's their duty to turn the priest in to the "authorities". All of which sounds VERY Nazi-ish...




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions



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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:42
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This is why I can't get all excited and fired up by the possibility of a Public Option. If we get one, who knows what it will be exactly? Can either side do anything right? Or is it just the nature of the beast? Count our blessings that it's not even worse?

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:43
MINCINGBEAST
i will take the sky from you.



Cross dressing? No problem! Drag queens and kings? No problem? Tweaking gender stereotypes through performance? No problem! Cool even. I am a beast, but I like to mince, and I like the disconnect between the two. Let's muck around with gender roles! Yay!

Tweaking gender stereotypes through...surgery? Ok, I've reached the point where I feel like a bigot, and it bothers me a bit. that is all. wouldn't call for a jihad against poor (insert pronoun here) or try to make their already complicated life any worse...

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:44

Yes, I did. Was alternately sickened and jubilant--get the churches to go after him, and MAYBE some of his audience will look for something else to watch...some of them anyway...just maybe. And if they do, they MIGHT hear some TRUTH about all the crap he spews. One can hope...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:47
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I gotta ask, why does it matter? if you ever met this person in real life, you might have a "What's that, it's Pat!" moment, but otherwise wouldn't you just pass him/her and not really give them much notice? If it's just the surgery that squicks you out, under what circumstances would you find out that this person had undergone surgery?

How does this affect you, and what does it matter?




THANK YOU, BYTEMITE!!!!

That was my reaction exactly. How does this offend any of you? What EXACTLY is your problem with it? (Be specific)

If someone doesn't want to be a man or a woman, so what? Are you worried that they're going to pass it on to their offspring? Good luck with that! Are you afraid you might catch it, like you might catch "the gay" if that's made legal? What is it that you find so offputting about this? If this isn't YOUR husband or wife, or someone YOU are expected to have sex with (or not, in this case), then what the fuck? What difference does it make?




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions



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Glenn Beck's Advice on 'Social Justice' Churches Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:55

Mike mentioned this, so I thought I'd give more info. The man is a fruitcake of the highest kind, I swear!
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Beck, a Mormon, said the word “social justice” is code for communism and Nazism.

“Beck says Christians should leave their social justice churches,”

In his radio and television show last week on Fox News, Beck urged Christian viewers to talk to their pastor or priest about the word social justice if their church uses the term. If the church leader refuses to change the church’s commitment to social justice, then they should leave, Beck continued.

“I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church website,” the TV and radio personality said. “If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.

“Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!” he exclaimed.

Later in the show, Beck held up cards with a hammer and sickle on one and a swastika on the other. He said communism and Nazis both have the same philosophy and in America “social justice” is the code word for both.

“They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy,” he said.

Wallis, in response, refuted the controversial claim and highlighted how the Catholic Church, Black churches, Mainline Protestant churches, and an increasing number of evangelical and Pentecostal churches believe that social justice is central to biblical faith.

“I don’t know if Beck is just strange, just trying to be controversial, or just trying to make money,” the long-time anti-poverty activist wrote. “But in any case, what he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show. His show should now be in the same-category as Howard Stern.”

In his radio and television show last week on Fox News, Beck urged Christian viewers to talk to their pastor or priest about the word social justice if their church uses the term. If the church leader refuses to change the church’s commitment to social justice, then they should leave, Beck continued.

“I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church website,” the TV and radio personality said. “If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.

“Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!” he exclaimed.

Later in the show, Beck held up cards with a hammer and sickle on one and a swastika on the other. He said communism and Nazis both have the same philosophy and in America “social justice” is the code word for both.

“They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy,” he said.

Wallis, in response, refuted the controversial claim and highlighted how the Catholic Church, Black churches, Mainline Protestant churches, and an increasing number of evangelical and Pentecostal churches believe that social justice is central to biblical faith.

“I don’t know if Beck is just strange, just trying to be controversial, or just trying to make money,” the long-time anti-poverty activist wrote. “But in any case, what he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show. His show should now be in the same-category as Howard Stern.”

In his radio and television show last week on Fox News, Beck urged Christian viewers to talk to their pastor or priest about the word social justice if their church uses the term. If the church leader refuses to change the church’s commitment to social justice, then they should leave, Beck continued.

“I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church website,” the TV and radio personality said. “If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.

“Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!” he exclaimed.

Later in the show, Beck held up cards with a hammer and sickle on one and a swastika on the other. He said communism and Nazis both have the same philosophy and in America “social justice” is the code word for both.

“They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy,” he said.

Wallis, in response, refuted the controversial claim and highlighted how the Catholic Church, Black churches, Mainline Protestant churches, and an increasing number of evangelical and Pentecostal churches believe that social justice is central to biblical faith.

“I don’t know if Beck is just strange, just trying to be controversial, or just trying to make money,” the long-time anti-poverty activist wrote. “But in any case, what he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show. His show should now be in the same-category as Howard Stern.”

Notably, Beck’s religious group, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or the Mormon church, is widely regarded by Christians as either a heretical Christian sect, a cult, or another Abrahamic religion.

Among the Mormon beliefs that are contrary to core Christian doctrines is the rejection of the validity and veracity of the Bible. Mormons believe that the proper translation of what God wants believers to know is found in another source – the Book of Mormon.

Mormons also reject the Apostles Creed and Nicene Creed – which are based on the Bible and were agreed upon by the ancient Christian churches as statements that true believers should affirm.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100310/glenn-beck-s-church-advice-sparks-outrage/index.html

Well, hell, he's a MORMON! That explains a lot!

But the church doesn't take such things lying down; they're fighting back:
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An evangelical leader is calling for a boycott of Glenn Beck's television show and challenging the Fox News personality to a public debate after Beck vilified churches that preach economic and social justice.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, a network of progressive Christians, says Beck perverted Jesus' message when he urged Christians last week to leave churches that preach social and economic justice.

Wallis says Beck compared those churches to Communists and Nazis.

Wallis says at least 20,000 people have already responded to his call to boycott Beck. He says Beck is confusing his personal philosophy with the Bible.

"He wants us to leave our churches, but we should leave him," Wallis says of Beck. "When your political philosophy is to consistently favor the rich over the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice."

Wallis says he wants to go on Beck's show to challenge the contention that churches shouldn't preach economic and social justice.

Social and economic justice is at the heart of Jesus' message, Wallis says.

"He's afraid of being challenged on his silly caricatures," Wallis says. "Glenn Beck talks a lot when he doesn't have someone to dialogue with. Is he willing to talk with someone who he doesn't agree with?"

Beck did not answer numerous requests for an interview.

Glenn Beck talks a lot when he doesn't have someone to dialogue with

--The Rev. Jim Wallis
But a prominent evangelical leader says he, too, is suspicious of churches that preach economic and social justice.

Jerry Falwell Jr., president of Liberty University, a Christian college in Virginia, says Jesus wasn't interested in politics. He says that those pastors who preach economic and social justice "are trying to twist the gospel to say the gospel supported socialism."

"Jesus taught that we should give to the poor and support widows, but he never said that we should elect a government that would take money from our neighbor's hand and give it to the poor," Falwell says.

Falwell says that Jesus believed that individuals, not governments, should help the poor.

"If we all did as Jesus did when he helped the poor, we wouldn't need the government," says Falwell, the son of the late evangelical leader, the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

What is economic and social justice?

The term "economic and social justice" is not easy to define. It has different meanings for different people.

Jesus did when he helped the poor, we wouldn't need the government

--Jerry Falwell Jr.

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For some Christians, practicing economic and social justice means that churches should practice charity: setting up soup kitchens, assisting victims of natural disasters, and helping people find jobs.

For other Christians, practicing economic and social justice also means trying to change the conditions that cause people to be poor or unemployed. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. subscribed to this definition of biblical justice.

Marty Duren, a Southern Baptist Convention pastor, says some conservative Christians have traditionally thought churches shouldn't get involved in economic or social justice.

"For a long time, Southern Baptists and evangelicals were so focused on the return of Christ that what was happening in the real world was almost incidental," says Duren, who blogs at martyduren.com.

But within the last two decades, Duren says, more evangelical Christians have come to believe that the Bible calls for economic and social justice.

William Wilberforce, for example, is a 19th century British politician who helped abolish the slave trade in his country. He is now regarded as a hero for some evangelicals because he applied his faith to the economic and social justice issues of his day, Duren says.

Did Jesus preach about social and economic justice?

The Bible cares about social and economic justice, Duren says.

"The Old Testament is replete with examples of God threatening to judge a nation because of a lack of justice or carrying out that threat of judgment against a nation,'' Duren says.

He believes Beck was wrong to tell Christians that they shouldn't belong to churches that seek justice.

"If I had any authority at Fox News right now, Glenn Beck would be seeking economic justice," Duren says.

That concern for justice is what helped convert him, says Wallis, president of Sojourners. Wallis, who counts King as one of his faith role models, says the Bible isn't just concerned with feeding the poor -- it's concerned about the conditions that create the poor.

Wallis also evoked the Christians who fought against slavery as well as civil rights activists.

"The Bible just didn't say take care of the victim -- it talks about justice," says Wallis, who is the author of "Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street and Your Street."

Meanwhile, Wallis says he's waiting for that public debate with Beck.

"I'll have it," Wallis says, "anywhere he wants."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?iref=allsearch




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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:57
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Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Cross dressing? No problem! Drag queens and kings? No problem? Tweaking gender stereotypes through performance? No problem! Cool even. I am a beast, but I like to mince, and I like the disconnect between the two. Let's muck around with gender roles! Yay!

Tweaking gender stereotypes through...surgery? Ok, I've reached the point where I feel like a bigot, and it bothers me a bit. that is all. wouldn't call for a jihad against poor (insert pronoun here) or try to make their already complicated life any worse...





Shall we put a global ban on giant fake tits, then? After all, isn't that "tweaking gender stereotypes through surgery"?




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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:57

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
ultimately, nothing matters, but to see gender treated as something plastic is to gaze into a chasm of horror (at least for someone, like me, whose pathetic identity is 99% invested in being a dude).



I like that you're self-aware about it, and honest. Since you're not looking to put any restrictions on this person's life choices and gender identification, even theoretically, that's really as much of a reaction as one can realistically demand.

I find the concept of clinging to gender interesting, though. Is your emotional reaction one of.. I guess, fear that something is being taken away from you and your gender by creating alternative options? (I say emotional because your rational reaction seems quite separate from that.)

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 17:59
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And I have to ask: Is "mincing" anything like swanning about? Not that I'd judge; I'm just curious about whether "mincing" means over on YOUR side of the pond what it generally means on MY side.

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:01

Exactly how I feel. It has nothing to do with my life, and I just hope he-she is happy Seems like a kind of confused, unhappy person, is all I think, after going through all of that. But it's his-her business, not mine, and he-she might well be a really nice person if I were to meet him-her.

PN, go to hell. I'm well aware facts mean nothing to you, but I'm not a lesbian...I'm married, remember? For 30+ years, and I still love him dearly. Can you say the same?

Oh, and you forgot any kind of "Jew" slur in smearing me...you're slipping...


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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:01
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Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
ultimately, nothing matters, but to see gender treated as something plastic is to gaze into a chasm of horror (at least for someone, like me, whose pathetic identity is 99% invested in being a dude).



I like that you're self-aware about it, and honest. Since you're not looking to put any restrictions on this person's life choices and gender identification, even theoretically, that's really as much of a reaction as one can realistically demand.

I find the concept of clinging to gender interesting, though. Is your emotional reaction one of.. I guess, fear that something is being taken away from you and your gender by creating alternative options? (I say emotional because your rational reaction seems quite separate from that.)



Good discussion.

And yes, SUBJECTIVELY, I'd likely be a little freaked out if this man/woman were part of my family. But then, OBJECTIVELY, *I'M* not going home with him/her, so who cares? Just have to remember to buy unisex or gender-neutral gifts for the holidays. :)




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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:02

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Interestingly, I can't find anything on women hiding razors in their beehives, but they did. For fighting.

I know the do, just haven't ever heard about the razor blades. Didn't want to believe it was for actual fighting... ew! That ought to be in a Tarantino movie. If it's hasn't been already.


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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:06

Rue, how can you have HEALTH reform without health insurance reform, given they're the major fact standing in the way of better health care? I'd like to know more.

Seems to me a simple Medicare buy-in would just mean people could get Medicare--RIGHT NOW! This puppy won't go into effect for four YEARS, and given it's based mostly on regulation, I have full confidence the insurance companies will find ways around any regulation in it.

As to the public option, I think they're setting it up, actually. Grayson introducing it was the first step, now it's in committee. I've heard several politicians say that, like Social Security and Medicare, this is a first, less-than-perfect, step, and they'll go from here.

I'm up with that...neither of those cited was a truly "good" bill initially, it just kept being revised and amended better as time went on. I think our government is such that you can't PASS a "good" bill, only compromise it into something weak, then work on it.

Time will tell.


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Peter Graves died Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:11

Yeah, I'm MILDLY curious, too. If you think you're irritating me or pissing me off, sorry to disappoint you. I know who I am, never had anything to do with a strap-on, and just because YOUR sexual identity is confused and you're obsessed with sexual fantasy (even when you have to make it up), makes me laugh. Sadly.

Yeah, I remember Graves' early stuff too, I grew up with it. And thanx Geezer, yeah, James Arness.

How did such a sicko end up on a Firefly fansite? Does he just troll for websites that won't toss him off or something? It's inconceivable to me that he could be an actual appreciator of Firefly!


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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:13
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kwicko, re: fake boobies. they are gross, but they do not really bother me, and are not really spot on for this issue. they don't really cross the great divide of gender so much as ridiculously emphasize a pre-existing gender characteristic. not a blurring of a line, but a thickening of it. still rather tacky in my opinion.

its an emotional reaction, and one probably better left unexplored (unless i really want to gross myself out, and others). i confess an absolutely fucked up relationship with gender. on one hand, i conform to, and cherish, masculine gender stereotypes (i am easily mistaken for a neanderthal). on the other hand, i'm mincing and have the tastes of a 6 year old girl. sometimes i delight in the incongruity; sometimes it makes me uncomfortable.

to see physical gender, not gender roles, reduced to something plastic and fluid through the medium of surgery is surreal. my gut tells met that if reflects upon me, while my brain tells me i am an idiot. i dunno, i can only liken my reaction to what a tea partier must feel when someone burns the american flag.

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Glenn Beck's Advice on 'Social Justice' Churches Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:15
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What struck me as the most hilarious part of it all, considering his fear of all things even vaguely "Nazi", "socialist", "authoritarian", or "totalitarian", was his exhorting his listeners to, if they find their pastor is preaching "social justice", turn them in to the "authorities".

Maybe the rogue pastors could all be rounded up and sent somewhere... A re-education camp, perhaps? Someplace where they could sit and contemplate where they went so wrong, a place where they'd be free to really CONCENTRATE on getting better. Oh - I know! We'll call them "Concentration Camps"! What could possibly be misconstrued by using that name?


And Niki, I don't know why, but that top story in your post repeats itself three times. Weird. Might wanna edit that.




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Texas School Board's Vote Could Make Nation's History Textbooks more Conservative Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:22

Mal, I'm proud of your schoolboard...can we clone them? Please??

Yes, Mike, I remember you saying that, and never forgot it--mainly because I couldn't conceive of someone like you in that environment. I'd have been ridden out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered, by the age of 16! Glad you got out; you may well have saved your soul.

Kirk:
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reflect the general consensus of historians of the time
I note you said "historians" of the time--you really think our historians are going to look back on this time the way those books want to?? Check 'em out, since you are making assumptions, and get some facts. I dare you. You might also want to read a few of the existing textbooks and cite some reality about them going "too far left", before you start making judgments. Just a thought.

How long since you were in high school? Did you read textbooks then that were "too far left"? If so, which ones please?

Sigmanunki, I haven't met you before, so if you're new to FFF, welcome. If you're new to RWE, watch out! I agree with what you wrote, and yes, I've seen myriad examples of it on the local level. It makes my hair stand on end.

Same to you, Geezer; as Mike's link indicates, you can get the facts "straight from the horse's mouth" and decide for yourself before you start trashing news reports. If you want to, that is.


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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:22
KWICKO
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Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
kwicko, re: fake boobies. they are gross, but they do not really bother me, and are not really spot on for this issue. they don't really cross the great divide of gender so much as ridiculously emphasize a pre-existing gender characteristic. not a blurring of a line, but a thickening of it. still rather tacky in my opinion.



Ahem. I beg to differ. As Exhibit A, may I present to you...

Leslie.




Quote:


its an emotional reaction, and one probably better left unexplored (unless i really want to gross myself out, and others). i confess an absolutely fucked up relationship with gender. on one hand, i conform to, and cherish, masculine gender stereotypes (i am easily mistaken for a neanderthal). on the other hand, i'm mincing and have the tastes of a 6 year old girl. sometimes i delight in the incongruity; sometimes it makes me uncomfortable.



Oh, hell, be what you are, and enjoy life. It's too short to get worked up about the little stuff. Hell, I've skipped across the warehouse before, just for the hell of it, and BECAUSE it would look so incongruous of me, a 6'8", 260-pound giant, to do such a silly thing.

Quote:


to see physical gender, not gender roles, reduced to something plastic and fluid through the medium of surgery is surreal. my gut tells met that if reflects upon me, while my brain tells me i am an idiot. i dunno, i can only liken my reaction to what a tea partier must feel when someone burns the american flag.



Good analogy. Believe it or not, that actually makes your point clearer to me. *I* am uncomfortable with burning the flag; I've often said there's exactly one thing that could make me burn and American flag: a law against doing so. To my way of thinking, you don't burn down the Constitution to save a flag, and burning a flag doesn't desecrate the Constitution.

Anyway, carry on mincing; my lunch hour is over, and I've got to skip back to work! :)




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FINALLY! Biden goes after Israel!!! Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:24
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i will take the sky from you.



frem, i haven't called you asshole, or anything else for that matter. unless i have, in which case, please excuse me for being an asshole. all i've tried to do is call your attention to some of the words you've used. i appreciate your response, but still maintain that there is a world of difference between asserting that no, contrary to our pious holocaust narratives, some jews sucked; and blaming the victim for their victimization. just be sensitive to how one easily blends into the other, is all i would ask of you.

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High school prom cancelled by ACLU Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:32

Bytemite - Really, you don't have to tell me about bad authority figures. I'm been in situations were I was absolutely terrorized, to the point of suicidal depression, by the "cool crowd." And they were led in their behavior, encouraged even, by the authority figure who was supposed to be guiding and teaching me. I've been mocked in class by middle school and high school teachers. My 3rd grade teacher told my entire class that obviously my parents didn't love me. (She had issues with my parents, took it out on me.) I know how that kind of thing happens, and trust me, I'm pissed enough over it. If I ever saw one particular dance teacher again I'd be sorely tempted to do her damage.

So I know. I do. I'd like to help kids avoid this crap as much as possible. I try to encourage them to be aware of how they're treated, to have faith in their own opinions so that they can recognize abuse, to believe they deserve respect. What I will not do is encourage them to rise up against authority, to be paranoid and belligerent, just because I had bad experiences in my own youth. Telling kids to band together and rebel! rebel! rebel! may be fun and all, but it can work against their own interests.

Picketing the school that made the no girl/girl prom rule? Perfect. Everyone wearing tuxes to the backup prom? Love it. Walking around with a chip on your shoulder and flipping the bird at everyone over the age of 20? Not so good.

I can see the kids that have a persecution complex. Thank goodness I don't have to deal with many of these, but there are a few in my school. They are absolutely certain that I'm out to get them and nothing I say or do will get through to them. I guess in their eyes I'm an adult with the power to give them detention or worse, and they're certain I'll abuse the power given the slightest chance.

So hell ya go after the admins who abuse their positions, like the idiots on the Texas schoolboard with their textbook brain-washing. But be careful about painting with a broad brush. Just like not all police abuse their power: not all school admins are out to crush kids. It does a disservice to kids to make them think so.


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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:32
MINCINGBEAST
i will take the sky from you.



good god kwicko, i take back everything i said about fake boobies. FAKE BOOBIES MUST BE TEH BANNED!!!!1

the thought that a dude would want them for himself, as opposed to for his lady friend, never really occurred to me (even though I casually know a tranny who has them). so, great, there's an intermediate step between swishing a little and removing your hank. wow.

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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:36
RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."



I see health CARE reform as a more inclusive category, a changing of the basic system of health care in the country. I see health INSURANCE reform as a subset, and a more limited effort.

Health INSURANCE reform may or may not include Medicare for everyone. It may be limited to regulating private insurance practices (such as rescission) and to allowing across-state competition, two things that the administration has specifically backed. It has not backed even limited premium restrictions. His proposal didn't contain many – or perhaps any - of the things we were hoping to get.

I see nothing in the wording that reassures me there is a basic change of direction from that plan.

What I have read is that there are many DEMOCRATS who are deeply conservative in terms of maintaining the status quo, will not vote for either a 'public option' as a general concept, or Medicare for everyone as a specific application. Just a few days ago there was a news article about a Senator (whose name I forgot) who was on the list of Senators calling for a public option who said he would vote AGAINST it. I mean really, WTF ???

This is one of those things that will have to be pushed from below, if it is ever going to happen.

I remain skeptical of the administration's intentions.


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FIREFLY SEASON 2 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 18:49
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Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
It just doesn't have a chance against CSI: whatever.


How about CSI: Persephone ?




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Texas School Board's Vote Could Make Nation's History Textbooks more Conservative Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:03

Hmmm, I note the insertion of "Social Gospel", and, as you mentioned Mike, various interesting changes. () denotes additions, (()) denotes removals:
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...."evaluate the impact of (muckrakers) and reform leaders (including Upton Sinclair), Susan B. Anthony, (Ida B. Wells), and W.E.B. DuBois ((and Robert LaFollette)) on American society

evaluate the impact of third parties (including Populist and Progressive Parties). ((and their candidates such as Eugene Debs, H. Ross Perot, and George Wallace))

analyze causes and effects of ((significant issues)) (such as) including immigration, (Social Darwinism)...

explain the roles played by significant military leaders during World War II, including ((Omar Bradley)), Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur, (Oveta Culp Hobby, Benjamin O. Davis. and George Marshall) ((and George Patton))...

(describe Richard M. Nixon’s role in the normalization of relations with China and the policy of détente;)

(describe Ronald Reagan’s role in restoring national confidence, such as Reaganomics and Peace with Strength)...

(identify significant conservative advocacy organizations and individuals, such as Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schlafly, and the Moral Majority)...

(discuss the role of third party candidates, such as Ross Perot and Ralph Nader.) [note: Several members believe that another SE should be added that includes liberal organizations, such as Planned Parenthood, Move On.org, Sierra Club, etc.]

identify the effects of population growth and distribution ((and predict future effects)) on the physical environment [note: One member suggests that this phrase invites doomsday scenarios, therefore eliminate phrase]

analyze the effects of the Great Depression on the U.S. economy and government, (such as widespread unemployment, forced repatriation of Mexican Americans, and increased government intervention)

((explain the impact of significant international events such as World War I and World War II on changes in the role of the federal government))

[replaced by]

[describe the effects of political scandals including Teapot Dome, Watergate, and Clinton’s impeachment on the views of U.S. citizens concerning trust in the federal government and its leaders]

analyze the effects of landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions including (Plessy v. Ferguson, Hernandez v. Texas,) Brown v. Board of Education, and (Tinker v. Des Moines( ((and Reynolds v. Sims))

evaluate the contributions of significant political and social leaders in the United States such as Andrew Carnegie, ((Shirley Chisholm)), (Henry B. Gonzalez, Thurgood Marshall, Sandra Day O’Connor, and Billy Graham) ((and Franklin D. Roosevelt))

That's a taste. Decide for yourself.

I saw a lot of "analyze" pulled out in favor of the word "describe". That bothers me. Rather than learning route stuff, I believe if anything, school should teach us how to think and question, not just regurgitate material we're given.


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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:08

Ah, I understand. Good point. But I don't believe any amount of "regulation" will work, having seen the efforts along those lines on other sectors of American life. Loopholes are something businesses are pros at finding and utilizing.

I am both skeptical of the intentions (given how much money goes into ALL our Congressmen and Senators) and skeptical of any effective change (see above), as well as skeptical of Obama and the Dems having enough balls to attain anything effective in the near term.

Nonetheless, I think it's a first step...as the other things I cited were. Call me a cockeyed optimist.


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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:15

Now THAT picture grosses me out! That's one sad, screwed-up person, from just the looks of it. Maybe they're a nice person to know, but I'm afraid I'd be turned off by (his?) appearance. So I guess I'm not the free thinker I'd like to believe.

Being aware of what you feel, Mincing, is a good thing...and in an issue such as this, may be all that's necessary. Discovering we have attitudes we might not agree with philosophically is always good: a widening of our self-awareness. But to go beyond that is a choice I would reserve for important things, which I don't this person represents. JMHO


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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! KILL IT NOW!!! Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:21
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John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org





The implanted MicroChip required in new Health Care Bill
http://weeksmd.com/?p=2548

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“Buried deep within the over 1,000 pages of the massive US Health Care Bill (PDF) in a “non-discussed” section titled: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry, and which states its purpose as:

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

In “real world speak”, according to this report, this new law, when fully implemented, provides the framework for making the United States the first Nation in the World to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isn’t, allowed medical care in their country.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf



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The Sereni-Tree: How to Steer In Hyperspace, and Other Observations Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:22
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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:22

What I heard today is that there are 52-54 Senators who would vote for a public option. (This is an independent head-count by journalists.) Now the problem is in the House, where staunch anti-abortionists and Blue Dogs would make it difficult to pass a bill. IF OBAMA were pushing for a public option, the House would be able to do the heavy lifting. But OBAMA has bailed from the concept. Remember, HE was the one who took single-payer off the table, right from the start.

And given his history of making backroom deals with pharmas and doctors, I'll bet he's made a backroom deal with the insurances. So he's going to go around ranting about the worst practices of insurance companies, but protecting their bottom line. And WTF do they care what he says about them, as long as... in the end... they still get to make tons o' bucks?

How can something so popular with the public (public option) be so unattractive in DC? How can something so unpopular with the public (being force-fed into the maw of insurances, with tax money) be such a shoe-in with Congress and the WH?? This reminds me of Clinton and NAFTA/ CAFTA/ WTO: We get sold down the river with sweet talk.



Hope and change?
Yes we can?
Bleh!

I think the Senate bill is a done deal. I have no idea what the fixit bill will look like, but I'm pretty sure it will NOT include the public option. Shit, I doubt it would even contain a "trigger" for the public option... which I thought was a weasely choice back then, but now I would prefer it so much over what we're facing.

So now the challenge is... GET THOSE REPUBS AND DEMS OUT OF OFFICE WHO KEEP SCREWING US. The 2010 primaries look like a good place to start, and Jane Harmon is a good person to start with.

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Dictator Hussein Obama requires all Amerikans get kosher microchip implants in Healthcare Tax Bill Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:23
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org





The implanted MicroChip required in new Health Care Bill
http://weeksmd.com/?p=2548

Quote:

“Buried deep within the over 1,000 pages of the massive US Health Care Bill (PDF) in a “non-discussed” section titled: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry, and which states its purpose as:

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

In “real world speak”, according to this report, this new law, when fully implemented, provides the framework for making the United States the first Nation in the World to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isn’t, allowed medical care in their country.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrITx7_tTT0



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Obama to push 'No Child Left Behind' overhaul Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:25

I agree with both of you. Throwing money at a problem rarely solves it; on the other hand, creating "unfunded mandates" and what may be some good ideas, then not funding them, is even worse, in my opinion.

I agree about the testing, but I don't like the emphasis on testing no matter WHAT. Testing as it is done is, again, regurgitating what's been taught...I'd rather see kids encouraged to think for themselves. Same reason I am bothered by the replacing of "analyze" with "describe" in the proposed new Texas textbooks.

Testing is inherently flawed for the reasons you described, and more.


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Pentagon trains workers to hack Defense computers Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:27

Eeep Mike, that IS scary. Ah, the age of the computer; ain't it wonderful?


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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PN IS ON A RANT AGAIN. Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:27

Oh Jeez, PN!

Do you even know what a medical device is???

Stents.

Pacemakers.

Vagus nerve and deep-brain stimulators.

Knees, hips, and shoulders.

Implanted insulin pumps.

Brain shunts.

The problem with medical devices is that there's no way of tracking safety after they've been implanted.

Thanks for changing my thread title. As a thank-you gift, I changed yours.

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FIREFLY SEASON 2 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:28

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Originally posted by SILVERSRFR:


...The only Browncoats I want to participate in this project are the ones who want to do something other than express themselves to themselves or to buy things that may or may not make a difference.

...About the financial sense of things; I watched and re-watched "Done the Impossible" and they talked about that quite a bit of profit was made off of the advertisements (during the series) and the DVD sales after the series and the movie. If they were incorrect on their data, set me staight. Also, the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of active fans on sites right now leads me to believe that they have a strong enough fan base to start anew (most of my data is from Facebook fansites).

We have to change tactics. I have talked to Browncoats, I have watched and read many of the things that Joss and Tim have written and filmed. I sympathize with their frustration. Forgive me for saying this but this is no longer about them, it's about us, the Browncoats. The ones that haven't given up on the idea. The ones that haven't gotten bogged down in the muck of "I give up, too much time has passed". I believe that the birth of this show was, as many believe, much more than a show. It was the beginnings of a family and I believe that the leaders of that family have a responsibility to the ones that are looking up to them. I don't aim to offend but I do aim to get results. We don't have the time to sit patiently back anymore. Too much time has passed for us to sit patiently on our rears. We have to take a stand now otherwise it just won't happen. I haven't given up yet. I will carry on until there is no fight left in me. I am a Browncoat. I wear my colors proudly....and sometimes loudly. So, all of you grumpy ole' Browncoats out there, I salute you, but I also say "wake up" there is work to be done.





Don't worry about the sayers of 'nay' , and their like...

One wonders what they're even doing here , and then speculates that they're Alliance plants...

You are right , you know...

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It is in our DNA...

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Texas School Board's Vote Could Make Nation's History Textbooks more Conservative Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:33
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John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org




Apollo terrafarming successful on moon

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Neil Armstrong isn't worthy of Texas textbooks?

As some readers may know, Texas State Board of Education has held meetings this week (read more) to conduct a variety of business. Fortunately they haven't engaged in their anti-science attacks on evolution, but there have been other questionable actions.

As part of the process a Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills review team composed of parents and teachers has suggested removing Neil Armstrong from a "science strand" in a 5th grade social studies book.

Effectively this would remove the mention of Armstrong has a figure of historical significance from 5th grade textbooks. I asked board spokeswoman Debbie Ratcliffe why this change was made and she explained:

The team said they made this proposal because he was not a scientist. The State Board of Education has not voted for or against that proposal yet. It won't vote on the social studies proposal until January.

I can sympathize with board members who do not want to over-burden students with names, dates and places. I've written before that we should teach our children how to learn, rather than how to memorize. But Neil Armstrong?

He's the single-most identifiable figure associated with NASA, and certainly took the space agency's most inspirational leap. If students cannot appreciate the science underlying launching a man to the moon, what can inspire them?

Moreover, how significant has the presence of NASA's human spaceflight home in Houston been to the science community and economy of Texas?

By the way, Armstrong arguably was a scientist. He received an aeronautical engineering from Purdue University, and a Master of Science degree in aerospace engineering from the University of Southern California. He later was a professor of aerospace engineering at the University of Cincinnati.

Keep Armstrong.

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2009/09/neil_armstrong_isnt_worthy_of_texas_textbooks.html



Never mind that he never walked on The Moon.
www.piratenews.org/hollywood.html



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Texas schools remove Neil Armstrong for faking Moon walk Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:35
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John Lee, executive producer Pirate News TV, PirateNews.org




Apollo terrafarming successful on moon

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Neil Armstrong isn't worthy of Texas textbooks? [Because he never walked on The Moon]

As some readers may know, Texas State Board of Education has held meetings this week (read more) to conduct a variety of business. Fortunately they haven't engaged in their anti-science attacks on evolution, but there have been other questionable actions.

As part of the process a Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills review team composed of parents and teachers has suggested removing Neil Armstrong from a "science strand" in a 5th grade social studies book.

Effectively this would remove the mention of Armstrong has a figure of historical significance from 5th grade textbooks. I asked board spokeswoman Debbie Ratcliffe why this change was made and she explained:

The team said they made this proposal because he was not a scientist. The State Board of Education has not voted for or against that proposal yet. It won't vote on the social studies proposal until January.

I can sympathize with board members who do not want to over-burden students with names, dates and places. I've written before that we should teach our children how to learn, rather than how to memorize. But Neil Armstrong?

He's the single-most identifiable figure associated with NASA, and certainly took the space agency's most inspirational leap. If students cannot appreciate the science underlying launching a man to the moon, what can inspire them?

Moreover, how significant has the presence of NASA's human spaceflight home in Houston been to the science community and economy of Texas?

By the way, Armstrong arguably was a scientist. He received an aeronautical engineering from Purdue University, and a Master of Science degree in aerospace engineering from the University of Southern California. He later was a professor of aerospace engineering at the University of Cincinnati.

Keep Armstrong.

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2009/09/neil_armstrong_isnt_worthy_of_texas_textbooks.html



Apolloscam
http://piratenews.org/hollywood.html

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"I'm a former history teacher and I can tell you many history books today do not include the moon landings. With the level of science being taught in todays public schools many questions would be brought up during history class when discussing the moon missions, so they just took them out of most history books all together to avoid questioning the actual events. People just accept it as fact when it is fiction. I studied the moon landings back in the mid 1990's and I concluded that it must have been faked for a large number of reasons. My favorite besides the science behind it is that we went to the moon with the computer power of todays basic calculator. Makes me giggle everytime I think about it."
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=47982.0





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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:36
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FR@K !

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Dictator Hussein Obama requires all Amerikans get microchip implants in Healthcare Tax Bill Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:37
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Oh man, I want that chip! Can I get extra RAHM?

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Neat article I found Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:38
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Lt. Gay Ellis rocks.



It must say a lot for a series that it still gets possitive reviews after being off the air for years and only had 10 episodes that were ever broadcast.


http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
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Imponderables: Best Served Cold... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:43
TRAVELER
Lt. Gay Ellis rocks.



Well now my clocks are right again.


http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
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Dictator Hussein Obama requires all Amerikans get kosher microchip implants in Healthcare Tax Bill Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:45
PIRATENEWS
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VeriChip Corporation Completes Development Of New 8 Millimeter RFID Implantable Microchip

VeriChip Corporation ("VeriChip" or the "Company") (NASDAQ:CHIP), a provider of radio frequency identification (RFID) systems for healthcare and patient-related needs, announced today it has completed the development of a new, smaller human-implantable RFID microchip measuring approximately 8 millimeters by 1 millimeter. As previously announced, this new, smaller microchip has been developed specifically to be incorporated into Medical Components, Inc.'s ("Medcomp") vascular ports. On March 18, 2009, the Company announced that it entered into a development and supply agreement with Medcomp to develop and manufacture a RFID microchip for implantation into Medcomp's vascular access medical devices on an exclusive basis. The initial term of the agreement is five years totaling more than $3.0 million over the life of the agreement, assuming successful completion of the development of the new, smaller microchip and Medcomp's receipt of approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration ("FDA") of the vascular port containing the microchip.

Scott R. Silverman, Chairman of VeriChip, said, "Less than two months after the announcement of our development agreement with Medcomp, we have successfully completed the first, important step. This will enable Medcomp to move forward and begin the design stage of the development of the combined device and its eventual submission to the FDA."

The Company's existing microchip, used as part of its VeriMed™ Health Link system for patient identification, measures approximately 11 millimeters by 1 millimeter.

Source: VeriChip Corporation

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/149924.php

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Four hospitals in Puerto Rico will begin implanting a microchip the size of a rice grain in patients who suffer from illnesses such as Alzheimer's disease. The hospitals will start using the microchip, made by the Verichip Corp. VeriChip's Hugs and HALO Infant Protection Systems utilize wearable Infant Tags and Mother Tags to help prevent infant abductions and accidental mother/baby switching. Patient Tags worn on the wrist are used within VeriChip's RoamAlert and WatchMate systems to prevent residents from wandering out of designated areas.
http://www.newsrx.com/newsletters/Mental-Health-Business-Week/2009-07-25.html
http://www.verichipcorp.com



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSQurQXa6sA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFzhHeatRA0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2udoNmQkR4

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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:47



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THE PUBLIC OPTION LIVES!!! CALL NOW! & GOOD SIGN Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:53
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Can you explain what this is supposed to mean ?

I'm betting myself a lot of money that you can't.

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Biological basis for dittoheads ? Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 19:59
RUE
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Wow. This thread has seen some action since I was last here. It'll take some time for me to catch up.

(This is a bump for me as a reminder.)



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Texas School Board's Vote Could Make Nation's History Textbooks more Conservative Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:01
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Mal, I'm proud of your schoolboard...can we clone them? Please??

Yes, Mike, I remember you saying that, and never forgot it--mainly because I couldn't conceive of someone like you in that environment. I'd have been ridden out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered, by the age of 16! Glad you got out; you may well have saved your soul.

Kirk:
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reflect the general consensus of historians of the time
I note you said "historians" of the time--you really think our historians are going to look back on this time the way those books want to?? Check 'em out, since you are making assumptions, and get some facts. I dare you. You might also want to read a few of the existing textbooks and cite some reality about them going "too far left", before you start making judgments. Just a thought.

How long since you were in high school? Did you read textbooks then that were "too far left"? If so, which ones please?

Sigmanunki, I haven't met you before, so if you're new to FFF, welcome. If you're new to RWE, watch out! I agree with what you wrote, and yes, I've seen myriad examples of it on the local level. It makes my hair stand on end.

Same to you, Geezer; as Mike's link indicates, you can get the facts "straight from the horse's mouth" and decide for yourself before you start trashing news reports. If you want to, that is.




Thanks, Niki - I had tried to include some of that stuff, complete with additions and strikethroughs, but the forum software was just plugging it all in as complete text, and NOT noting the additions and deletions.

Funny that Clinton merits only a mention involving impeachment, while no mention seems to be made of Iran-Contra under Reagan, hundreds of dead Marines in a barracks bombing in Beirut (also under Reagan - how quickly we seem to forget), or his monumental deficits and debt.

And Nixon? Please. The man QUIT - I guess that makes him a "winner" like Sarah Palin, eh? He quit under a cloud, narrowly avoiding impeachment and removal from office, and probably indictment and conviction and prison as well, and that gets glossed over by his "normalization of relations with China". Great.







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Dictator Hussein Obama requires all Amerikans get kosher microchip implants in Healthcare Tax Bill Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:01
PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFzhHeatRA0



That one is f*cking hi-sterical!

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CAPTION TIGHTPANTS: AIM TO MISBEHAVE #21 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:01

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Originally posted by FloralBunny:

RIVER: Don't worry. It's not mine


Now that's a mite disturbing! :) Which makes it an excellent River line! +1


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PN IS ON A RANT AGAIN. Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:04
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



Does that mean I'll never get lost again?

I'm in.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions



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Biological basis for dittoheads ? Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:05
RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."



Working my way up ...

"... there is NO WAY that a sane human being who is actually on the scene as the trolley speeds toward the 5 workmen is going to even THINK of throwing another living person in the path of that trolley!"

"Let's not legitimize lunacy here, folks."


Would a sane person ever think of letting someone die of hypothermia by not letting them onto the lifeboat ?

Would a sane person make someone walk point ?

Would a sane person let one victim die in order to save a larger number of victims ?

Would a sane person consider separating conjoined twins so that one may live instead of having them both die ?

Maybe this has been hashed out at length and I'll find it further up. But I'd like to point out yet again that life doesn't always present us with good choices. In some fashion we DO decide these things. Even if it is not doing anything and letting circumstances take over.

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Pentagon trains workers to hack Defense computers Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:06
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



Yup. Never forget what Frem has said time and again: Technology is a double-edged sword. Every advantage it gives us, can be used AGAINST us just as easily.

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World's 1st neutered 'human' Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:09
KWICKO
Officially the Angriest Man on the Internet™.



That's Leslie Cochran, local pseudo-celebrity, homeless hobo, and all-around pain in the Austin PD's ass. He runs for mayor every few years, and actually does pretty well. :) And yes, those are REAL fake tits. He likes to flaunt them. And he really likes wearing thongs.

But the point is, he's harmless enough, and actually a pretty funny guy. Damned freaky to look at, though!



And by the rants on his signs, I always figure this is really who PN is...

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Biological basis for dittoheads ? Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:13
RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."



"People with higher WMC found certain types of killing more appropriate than did those with lower WMC and were more consistent in their judgments.I think I'd rather deal with someone who was consistent in their judgements ..."

I'd rather have thoughtful people who are consistent rather than people who make judgements ad hoc out of prejudices (save the fetus but kill the criminal and the raghead). Though I'd rather be dealing with people who are consistent about their refusal to kill than people who are consistent in their decision to do so.

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Imponderables: Best Served Cold... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:13
MSA



Yeah how would they determine what fish feel?? Were they ever a fish??

LOl traveler:)



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Whoah...didn't see that comin'. Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:16
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Three-point, four-hour, should do it.



Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Alex(andra) wasn't Casey's daughter --she would've had to be 20, and that girl wasn't out of her teens.

Odds are Casey's girlfriend had married (and possibly separated), and named her child after her first love.

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Yah, I guess that makes more sense. I only caught the last bit, and drew a straight line from her name to his, w/ out doing the math.

Still, I guess it'd be near impossible to think he could wander back into his ex g/f's life and start anew. Sucks, either way.




Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."


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Browncoat Bar & Grill - Don't call it a comeback.... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:17
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Navy you are really like a little ray of sunshine ( disturbing/odd sunshine, but sunshine none the less)I laughed so hard over your post people asked if I was ok

Roxy so glad you had fun

HUGS Gee... you are a good spouse:)

It's ok Avery I've got nothing either ...except that i got real sleep last night yay!!

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
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VFF Tranquility Part 14 ( The Phoenix Complex ) Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:17
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Secondary Weapons Specialist/Mercenary "Tranquility" Classification:FireFly 03 Ship ID:03-k64-FFF-00 Operation Reaver Echo One



(Kat passes Wisp, not realizing he was part of the crew.)

Kat- I gotta find the captain. Oreo is going to tear the whole place down. and the people...

(inside the bar, oreo rages on. people scatter and cower beneath tables and in corners. Oreo, jumps up onto the bar beathing heavily, when he notices a local standing in the middle of the room starring at him)

Local- HEY! YOU! WHY DONT YOU TRY ME OUT! THINK YOU CAN COME IN HERE AND CAUSE TROUBLE!

(the local pulls a pistol from his waist holster and before he can aim it, oreo, is nose to nose with him)

Local- what the hell...

(Oreo grabs him by the throat and lifts him off his feet. Slowly he begins to tight his grip around the locals throat. the local instantly drops his gun and begins trying to pry himself from Oreo grip.)

Local- let...go...you...son...of...

(Oreo tights his grip again and the locals words turn to desperate gasps for air.)

Oreo- diiiiiiiie...

(Suddenly a gunshots wrings out. Oreo slightly tilts his head in the direction of the shoot and locks eyes with wisp)

Wisp- Put...Him...Down!

Go n-eírí an bóthar leat. - May the road rise with you.



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Whoah...didn't see that comin'. Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:21
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Hmmmm I think they held out the possibility of way too many people leaving and it makes it unrealistic ( like it has realism to begin with , but you know what I meant)

it wouldn't be near as fun without Casey so I am hoping he gets to participate because things keep happening where they need him

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PN IS ON A RANT AGAIN. Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:22



Similar concept from 43 years ago :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUa3np4CKC4

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Biological basis for dittoheads ? Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:25
RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."



"The key to handling such situations well is emotional integration, self-acceptance and what the Buddhists call "mindfulness," none of which arise from a process of strictly logical deliberation. On the contrary, the ability to access logic when the shit hits the fan, to be calm and available to the largest context of a crisis, is greatly improved by emotional integration--not the emotional disintegration of "suppressing" or attempting to "control" one's emotions."

I am curious if you've ever needed to make this kind of decision.

Without getting too specific, I have had the sad opportunity to do so, and following my gut led to one good decision (decreased pain and suffering) and one bad one (increased pain and suffering). I have also been in a situation where one person walked away from the results their decision led to, leaving me to take care of the person at the receiving end.

If I had been logical about the outcomes, I would have seen the forgone conclusions, and instead of acting out of fear and hope would have been better prepared to act differently.

I realize this is cryptic, it's intentional.

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THE OTHER SHINY CAPTION GAME ROUND #94-Getting Closer.... Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:26

vote, y'all!

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FIREFLY SEASON 2 Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 20:29

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Don't worry about the sayers of 'nay' , and their like...

One wonders what they're even doing here , and then speculates that they're Alliance plants...

You are right , you know...

In the long haul , the tried and true Browncoats will get what we want .

It is in our DNA...


Once people resort to name calling I think they reveal that they're insecure about their own views.

I don't think we really need to set rules about what makes a person a tried and true Browncoat. Believe what you want. Just don't go around trying to force your beliefs on others or hurt them. That's my opinion at least.